Edge II: Bee about the world’s problem

14. 01. 2008 guenther 6 comments

Bee at backreaction has a long post about the world’s current problem.

I didn’t read the whole post, but the quote below resounded with me because this is also what troubles me deeply:

Intelligence is no longer an evolutionary advantage if the content of thought becomes increasingly abstract and theoretical. Our societies get more and more complex, and desperately need intellectuals, scientists, and thinkers to help them find their way in a world that’s getting increasingly confusing every day. Yet, our societies don’t listen to these voices, politics refutes any scientific method, leaders repeat mistakes, ignore warnings, and stick to believes that are scientifically wrong. It’s a problem that has been around since thousands of years, but it is a problem that can be ignored for a long time – as long as trial an error works fast enough. Unfortunately though, the tolerance for mistakes gets smaller every year, and the consequences of mistakes larger.

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#1 | Written by Terren about 4 years ago.

Hi Guenther,

Obviously agree that rationality is lacking in public discourse. However, I think it must be said that the scientific method such as it is today is not very effective in terms of dealing with the complexities of human life, including politics, economics, and the problems of society at large. Reductionism – the philosophy behind science’s most successful means of knowledge creation – is great for tightly-focused technical problems that lend themselves to isolating parts, but our tools for holistic analysis are comparatively weak.

Another way to say this is that if the tools of science *were* effective in these large, complex domains, the knowledge that would arise from these investigations would be taken much more seriously. Take global warming – it’s hard to have rational discourse on this when there is controversy within the scientific community itself about the strength of scientific claims that underly arguments on both sides of the issue. That controversy exists because our tools just aren’t good enough to produce knowledge we can have confidence in.
#2 | Written by guenther about 4 years ago.

Hi Terren,

I agree with you that our tools are not yet sophisticated enough – but it is _in_ science that new approaches are being developed (for instance, the study of complex systems), not in a non-scientific sphere.

So the problem is too little science/rationality – because being perfectly rational implies recognizing the poverty of current methods of analysis for some areas and the development of more apt ones.

We have to give processes their due time: when a problem is seen (for instance ecological crisis) it takes time (sometimes decades) to address these issues. We need patience and perseverance.
#3 | Written by Peter Turney about 4 years ago.

politics refutes any scientific method

Here is a recent survey article on experimental political science:

“The Growth and Development of Experimental Research in Political Science”, 2006, American Political Science Review
http://www.apsanet.org/imgtest/APSRNov06Druckman_etal.pdf

It is clear from this survey that political “science” is not yet a true science, because empirical methods are not taken seriously, but there is a hopeful trend towards increased empirical research. The problem is not that politics refutes scientific method; the problem is that politicians and even many political “scientists” do not understand or accept scientific method. That is, the problem lies with the users, not with the tool.
#4 | Written by guenther about 4 years ago.

I agree, Peter (with the user being the problem, not the tool)

Thanks for the link to the survey article!
#5 | Written by Nelia about 4 months ago.

Time to face the music armed with this great ifnroatmion.
#6 | Written by mvovmu about 4 months ago.

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