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Strong AI and FTL

August 16th, 2008 · 5 Comments · Last updated: October 30th, 2008

Both strong artificial intelligence (here in the sense of sentient/conscious AI) and faster than light travel (FTL) are dreams of science fiction and (some parts of) humanity, but what is the difference between the two?

Proposing FTL today is pretty much a lost cause (although there are interesting ideas such as the Alcubierre Drive – at least it’s still a viable option for Sci-Fi literature). The problem is that the Einstein’s special theory of relativity (SRT) postulates that nothing is able to go faster than light (more exactly: no information can be transmitted faster than light. Spaceships and their passengers are of course matter organized in certain ways, viz information – so they can’t go faster than light).

To date, we have no observations which contradict relativity, on the contrary, SRT and GRT are highly successful and thoroughly corroborated. To put it another way, observation of an FTL object would be theoretically quite…a surprise. ;-)

The situation is very different for strong AI: first of all, there is no theory whatever which predicts that such a thing were not possible. We don’t know quite exactly how this thing called consciousness appears in the brain, but it is a very active subject of research.

But there is something more important: whereas we have not observed FTL objects, we observe strong “I’s” (intelligences) every day: your fellow humans, yourself etc.

We are conscious, and we live in this physical world, made of the same physical stuff as everything else. Our consciousness is an organizational property of the matter we are made of, not something magical tacked on as an afterthought. What a wonderful insight: we know by simple observation of our surroundings that physical matter configurations can become conscious! Easy to see, yes? But, as Aristoteles said: “Just as bats’ eyes are to daylight, so is the mind blind to that which is most obvious of all.”

Strong AI is not a problem in the sense of “could it possibly exist?”; it is evidently only an engineering problem (albeit a complex one). Maybe we will need molecular biology for solving it (meaning that AI will only run on proteins and not on silicon, which is more in line with materialism than computationalism; but it is engineering nonetheless). We just have to find out in which way matter has to interact (in a sufficiently reentrant way) to build an AI.

After all, the distinction artificial and natural is pretty thin anyway. Ants are natural. Their nests are natural. Humans are evolved, they are natural. So why should we not call their artifacts natural? It is only a philosophical word quibble – the distinction natural/artifact is sometimes interesting – for instance, when we stumble upon an artifact on an alien world, this is astounding not because an “artifact” were something “supernatural”, totally out of this world, but because an “artifact” suggests an “artificer” -  an intelligence, an agent, which made it – a natural being of some sophistication. The intelligence that made the thing would be quite a natural inhabitant of its environment. Never let the distinction artificial/natural confuse you!

So, to get back on topic: what opponents of strong AI would actually have to claim is that we will never (1000 years? 1 million years? our descendants on different planets in 5 billion years?) be able to engineer a conscious artifact because of mysterious reasons which would go against everything we know about this world. And this claim, now, seems completely ludicrous to me. And if it does not sound ludicrous to you, go look in a mirror! (you are conscious, are made of matter, but are not going faster than light ;-) ) Opponents of strong AI are fighting the same losing battle as vitalists did in the 19th/20th century.

I found this amusing quote by Francis Crick on the wikipedia article on vitalism: “And so to those of you who may be vitalists I would make this prophecy: what everyone believed yesterday, and you believe today, only cranks will believe tomorrow.”

Similar issues are raised in this blog post, which motivated me to publish this (now slightly overworked) draft (which otherwise would have slumbered for many months on my harddrive before being polished enough to publish ;-) ).

A commenter on that blog (Accelerating Future) says this:

Michael Bishop (2003). Dancing with pixies: Strong artificial intelligence and panpsychism

This paper argues against computationalism by showing it implies panpsychism.

Here it should be emphasized that in fact every realist monist naturalism (and who’s a dualist nowadays? nobody, for good reasons!) implies panpsychism – see this paper by Galen Strawson. (If you want more of this stuff, there’s also a book.) So the problem (if it is one) lies somewhere else and certainly not in positing strong AI or computationalism. The problem can be solved by a radical (“radical” in the sense of “going to the root”) monism, but on that more later, because it’s a topic of its own.

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  • 1 CAS-Group Blog » Mindless Intelligence // Oct 4, 2008 at 22:36

    [...] problem in the sense of “could it possibly exist?”; it is evidently an engineering problem (see here and here). Since we all agree on AI’s fundamental hypothesis, that physical machines have the [...]

  • 2 Carver // Oct 30, 2008 at 1:44

    I enjoyed the article, but I don’t think you’ve given an accurate account of the (particularly philosophical) reasons why strong A.I. may be impossible. For example, Searle’s Chinese Room: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/chinese-room/ And I have yet to see a way to over come the implications Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem to A.I.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_(philosophy)#G.C3.B6delian_arguments

    Also, doesn’t the complete and utter failure of us to make *any* progress in strong A.I. point out that it may be impossible? I’ll grant you that isn’t quite as a formidable argument as relativity is to FTL, but the point stands.

  • 3 Dan // Oct 30, 2008 at 2:13

    You mean to say “descendants,” not “ancestors.”

  • 4 guenther // Oct 30, 2008 at 22:48

    @Dan

    fixed, thanks for the notice, must have been some Freudian thing ;-)

    @Carver
    Thanks for your comments, I am aware of all the points but a detailed response will have to wait for later blog posts.

    Here some quick remarks: Searle’s Chinese room and the Gödelian arguments are highly controversial.

    Concerning the Chinese room, I side with the critics of Searle who say that “understanding” occurs at the system level. As a thought experiment it proves nothing anyway. See for instance the very interesting paper When are thought experiments poor ones? by Peijnenburg and Atkinson for the problematic nature of thought experiments.

    Gödelian arguments against mechanism are often raised (most notably by Lucas and Penrose) but have all been shown to be erroneous by logicians (Solomon Feferman, Judson Webb come to mind immediately).

    As to the difficulty of constructing AI, one should never forget that it is only a few decades since the invention of programmable computers. False hopes were raised by the pioneers (Turing etc) – they did indeed underestimate the difficulty of AI – and these hopes were dashed; this does not mean that AI is impossible.

    Speculating about AIs in the 1950s was a bit like speculating about going to the moon when the steam engine was invented – it was a bit too early, that’s all.

  • 5 jofr // Jan 10, 2010 at 10:34

    I makes more sense to compare Strong AI with the FTM
    (Flight to the Moon) and the Apollo Space Program.
    The rocket can be compared to an agent which has
    to survive autonomously in an unknown environment.
    The ground control and the astronauts are like the
    mind of the agent which controls it.

    In principle all we had to do for the FTM was

    * create a device capable of travelling to the moon
    * launch the device

    To achieve the goal of Strong AI, just remember what
    H.A. Simon said in “The Sciences of the Artificial” :
    “A man, viewed as a behaving system, is quite
    simple. The apparent complexity of his behavior
    over time is largely a reflection of the complexity
    of the environment in which he finds himself.”
    Thus we have to

    * create an adaptive system and place it in
    a complex artificial environment
    * let the system learn and grow

    The big problem is the engine: the engine of the
    rocket in the former case, and in the latter case
    the 3D graphics engine and the engine to process the
    information of the agent.

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